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(the circular lines are just an option I turned on at some point)

So here is my problem:

I do the automatic weight painting (that comes out partly normal) but some un-removable weights pop out, mostly on the symmetric side of almost every bones that are connected to the shirt of my character.

This cause strange distortions for every movement: pieces of the left shoulder move when the right hip bone moves, etc.

-Those extra weights seem to have completely random positions.

-it is as if only one side of the symmetry was editable. In my example, I can paint weights all over the right side of the shirt while nothing affects the left side.

I suspect some hidden option is crossed somewhere but I couldn't figure out...

Did anyone ever come across that problem?

Thanks

EDIT

Hello again, I uploaded a simplified version of the file at this link.

Please have a look: https://blend-exchange.giantcowfilms.com/b/0g9rLesg

There is a small walk cycle so you can see the strangeness of the weight painting in the shirt.

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  • $\begingroup$ hello, maybe share your file (at least a part of it): blend-exchange.giantcowfilms.com $\endgroup$
    – moonboots
    Sep 27 '20 at 5:22
  • $\begingroup$ I will try to do that $\endgroup$
    – Pyra_M
    Sep 27 '20 at 16:54
  • $\begingroup$ @moonboots I uploaded a simplified version of my character if you want to have a look :) $\endgroup$
    – Pyra_M
    Sep 27 '20 at 19:35
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Ok first of all YOU CAN KEEP THE MIRROR MODIFIER. Here is how it works. (assuming your original model is on the left side)
The Mirror Modifier has only one half of the mesh. In that half you have a vertex group for right and for left (.L and .R) or a symmetric one without any suffix. In Weight Paint Mode you can only paint on the original side. If you want to influence the other side, you need to paint the other group (.R not .L). The mirror modifier will keep the content of both .L and .R for the original side. For the flipped side it will just flip the names. That means .L from the original side will be written to .R in the mirrored side AND .R from the original side will be written to .L in the mirrored side.

Ok now that that is clear and you keep your mirror modifier, I can take some guesses as to what happened.

  1. You could not draw the weight paint. In this case disable the subsurf modifier and the solidify modifier and/or change to a bigger brush or, only if that doesn't help, change to Projected drawing with Front Faces Only disabled. (see the other answer, make sure to switch back after this or you will likely cause a mess at some point without realizing, was there, can not recommend.)
  2. You are only able to draw if you are drawing on the original side. So you can't draw on the .L group to remove the spot on the right. You need to select the .R group and paint on the left side where the spot should appear in that case.
  3. You were drawing on the wrong vertex group. I noticed multiple vertex groups for a lot of bones ending on .001. Make sure you only have one per bone and don't confuse them.

Luckily you seem to understand that by now (https://developer.blender.org/T81252). So consider this an answer to those people recommending to apply the mirror modifier (@moonboots)!

EDIT: if something behaves weird you can always check weight exactly by going into edit mode, selecting one vertex and looking at the vertex data in the right "N" Panel

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You've enabled the Show Weight Contours option:

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To weight paint correctly, you need to apply the Mirror modifier. Then in the brush settings, in order to paint through, disable the Front Faces Only and the Front-face Falloff options, enable Projected, and choose the Blend > Subtract mode:

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It works:

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  • $\begingroup$ Hello, Thanks. My problem is not the weight contour, I want to have that. (I put it to see better the problem) But do I really have to apply the mirror modifier? I thought I can keep it. When I check the models from Blender Cloud, they keep it. (I am still changing my model / topology) OK, applying the mirror modifier seems to let me remove all those ghost weight paintings. Can you just confirm that I must apply the mirror modifier? Or should I make a bug report regarding my problem? $\endgroup$
    – Pyra_M
    Sep 28 '20 at 7:28
  • $\begingroup$ Yes I think you must apply the Mirror modifier, if I create an object with Mirror, it looks like I can't paint only a half of it without affecting the other part $\endgroup$
    – moonboots
    Sep 28 '20 at 8:38
  • $\begingroup$ But I think I have done other weight painting where it wasn't a problem (I still a beginer) $\endgroup$
    – Pyra_M
    Sep 28 '20 at 10:34
  • $\begingroup$ Right now I am redoing the weight painting with the mirror modifier applied and the bug continues, buggy weight paint spot keep appearing even if I remove them. I change bone and come back and new buggy weight painting appears $\endgroup$
    – Pyra_M
    Sep 28 '20 at 10:37
  • $\begingroup$ mmh that's weird, I was able to remove it with the file you've shared, I can't tell where's the problem. And for the Mirror, I always apply it before parenting to armature, I don't think you can keep it $\endgroup$
    – moonboots
    Sep 28 '20 at 10:41

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