# Trying to work on my topology skills, would appreciate some guidance!

So this will be a slightly beefy post since I've got several things I'd appreciate some help with and I want to be nice and clear. Essentially, I want to try and work on my topology skills, and in doing so shift to a workflow that's a bit more flexible and professional. I usually dive headlong into a project and end up with a servicable result but it's rarely very pretty under the hood and a bit of a nightmare to revisit later if I want to change things.

So I thought a good way to start would be to have a go at an aeroplane, since it's got a good combination of curved and straight features, I'll have plenty of reference images, and also...I just like planes.

I also figured I would have a go at following a subdivision modelling approach. While I don't necessarily anticipate working on models for games, I liked the idea of a scalable level of detail that could be used to generate different LOD meshes just by adjusting the subdiv values.

Here are the real life images I'm using as references:

First thing that's got me scratching my head a little is the cockpit windows. Here's my current WIP (please forgive the terrible mesh topology, this is why I'm trying to work on it!):

It's got a bit of chubby-cheek-itis going on (best seen in the image below), which I imagine is from the 3-edged pole on the side. That came about from me trying to keep a sensible edge flow around the windows. Is there an elegant way to either change that topology or smooth it out to remove the effect?

But perhaps most annoying is the geometry around the window corners and edges. You can see on the first 3-view image that I've used creasing to give sharp corners and the nose ridge of the plane, and it actually works really well. But to get the other corners sharp, I run into problems. Here's two examples, one using creasing, the other using holding edges:

Both methods give a bump to the window edges, which is a little clearer when you look at them in profile (undoubtedly not helped by that 7-edged pole):

It feels like the holding edges are the better way to do this, they have a less pronounced bump and give more subdivided geometry around the corner for a smoother curve. But it's harder to achieve a clean holding edge on the outer corners of the windows. If you run a holding edge around the circumference, you end up with more bulgy geometry:

And if you run a holding edge down the length of the fuselage, you get a crease that runs the whole way:

Is there a better way to handle this? I feel like sometimes I'm too focused on making sure that everything is quads (I've got some triangles in the middle of the windows that would turn into quads when the mirror is applied), is this perhaps a time for some triangles?

Or am I asking too much of purely subdivision modelling? is this bulging around the window edges something that needs to be sorted out after the subdivision modifier is applied? And in that case, how would you maintain consistent geometry between different LOD models if the final touches are somwhat arbitrary?

Thank you very much for any help you can offer, and apologies for the length of this post!

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• Hello, I've made a timelapse tuto on modeling a plane, maybe you'll find some ideas: youtu.be/mgWxA8fmUCo Commented Mar 5 at 7:30
• Merci beaucoup Moonboots, your modelling workflow is defintiely much smoother than mine! I noticed that you ended up with some similar (though definitely reduced) lumpy shading effects that I did, but perhaps it really is a case of either living with it (they likely become much less noticeable with the right materials and texturing, especially with the natural kind of ripple in aircraft panels, which becomes obvious when seen from a shallow angle), or putting in some sculpting/manual adjustments after applying the subsurf modifier. Commented Mar 5 at 20:53