# Staggered palm frond leaves with Geometry Nodes?

I'm trying to create a procedural palm frond style plant with geometry nodes that has instanced leaves staggered along a stem (curve object). And these staggered leaves are roughly 180 degrees opposite each other as they climb the stem.

I'm trying to do a lot more, but the staggered leaves and positioning is the part I'm currently stuck on.

Would love a simple explanation on how to do this.

The reason I am asking this single question is because I'd ultimately love to work out how to create a whole palm frond style plant with varying degrees of customization. This is where I am heading (as it may impact the answer):

• create the actual palm leaves from a geometry node shape object (for now, I can create a mesh object to instance)
• creates variations of that leaf to then sample along the stem from a collection
• bend those leaves to simulate gravity
• apply slight randomness (rotation, scale) to leaves
• have the leaves adjust their rotation and scale in a realistic manner as they grow up the stem (see reference photo)
• apply a procedural material to the procedurally created leaves
• then instance one stalk/stem to create a whole plant
• Hi Zero, pls focus on one question - yours are actually 7. These are the rules here and they make sense because so people can find the answers easier by the title. But you cannot summarize 7 problems in one title. You can open as many questions as you like. Thank you. If you don't focus, your question might be closed due to the rules here...this might be a frustrating experience. Sep 2, 2022 at 16:10
• @Chris ...you're right, but I personally still love this question! Sep 2, 2022 at 16:18
• That doesn’t mean that I don’t love it 😉 Sep 2, 2022 at 16:26
• @quellenform I totally get it. No worries. I'm new to this. This was my first experience on this platform. I appreciate the help. Sep 5, 2022 at 18:43
• @quellenform 100% agreed about the leanness as well as focus of questions. Lessons learned. Your extensive answer is extremely valuable, it's simply above my own level of understanding to be able to tweak it to my specific needs at this time (or at least based on the amount of time I currently have to focus on it). I've watched some videos to try to understand what certain nodes are actually doing in relation to other nodes, etc, for example -but this then leads me down other rabbit holes. It's an excellent study aid -- and a brilliant realization of what I originally envisioned. So thank you. Sep 5, 2022 at 19:02

I'm not sure you'll be happy with this, but I think it's a good starting point.

Since you want a procedural result throughout, and simply instantiating individual elements won't get you there, you need to build the entire structure before instantiating or creating any leaves.

And so the order would have to be like this:

• First create the trunk.
• Then create the branches rotate them around the trunk and bend the ends down.
• On these branches you create the curves for the individual leaves, which are also rotated and bent.
• In this way you get the whole framework of the plant, and in the end you only have to create the leaves and create a mesh along the created curves.

But step by step, here in pictures:

Basic framework with branches.

Basic framework with branches and leaf branches.

Turned into a mesh.

Detail view of the leaves.

...Of course, you would then have to build your shader accordingly, because it is kept very simple here.

The good thing about this approach, however, is that with a little post-processing and fine-tuning, it can be used to create a wide variety of plants.

Have fun with it!

(Blender 3.2+)

• This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you. Thanks for providing the blend file, I will analyze the bits and hopefully be able to determine how they work. Thanks again. Very helpful! Sep 2, 2022 at 18:46
• @ZeroDean You're welcome! If you get a bit further with it and craft something out of it, I would be happy if you could attach the result here ...I'm always interested in what happens to the things I provide here and what others make out of my answers ;-) Sep 2, 2022 at 18:49
• I'll definitely get back to you with any initial output I make with it. (Hopefully in the next day or so). Sep 2, 2022 at 18:51
• @ZeroDean No hurry, take your time, the node tree is quite extensive (and to be honest I have relatively little documentation here, so it might not be easy to keep track here). But I am looking forward to it! Sep 2, 2022 at 18:54
• Ah, yes, it's far more extensive than I initially realized. You built the whole system. Wow. Lots to learn from this. I'll be studying this for a while. So, I've been playing with the leaf rotation options and the "float curves" in an attempt to find the combination that allows me to bend the tips of the individual leaves downward. Is this possible and I'm missing it? I can create a "U" shaped leaf, but not an upside-down "U" where leaves droop downward (vs upward). Sep 2, 2022 at 19:26