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When creating a topology mesh, are self intersecting loops a problem ?

If it is problematic, you can use "Paint" to communicate and mark how that edge should have been made with a simple stroke.

Self Intersecting Edge Loops Image: The edge loop forms a fish shape on eyes.

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    $\begingroup$ Would you rate yourself as beginner, or intermediate, or advanced at topology? $\endgroup$ – atomicbezierslinger Dec 11 '18 at 7:04
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    $\begingroup$ I suggest you see a few short tutorials on facial organic topology. I think you would benefit from seeing a collection of fundamentals. $\endgroup$ – atomicbezierslinger Dec 11 '18 at 7:10
  • $\begingroup$ I have seen a retopology tutorial on youtube. But i am a beginner. That's why i ask if self intersections are a problem in edge loops. Everyone in youtube, skips answering this question. Therefore it needs an answer, to not leave "gaps" in knowledge. $\endgroup$ – user2186597 Dec 11 '18 at 7:13
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    $\begingroup$ You want to have the edge loops perpendicular or aligned with the direction of movement/the alignment of the (facial) muscles. The ring muscle around the eye should be supported with multiple loops. The mask loop is a matter of preference and is often discard. Self intersecting loops probably are not the best solution, spirals most definitely not. $\endgroup$ – Leander Dec 11 '18 at 7:17
  • $\begingroup$ thank you leander. that is the answer. Therefore self intersecting edge loops is a mistake. I particularly liked the "white stroke" because it showed me the correct way : a) circle edge around eyes + b) that circle ends on the Mirror. $\endgroup$ – user2186597 Dec 11 '18 at 7:28
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The answer was given by Leander in the comments section:

  • You cant use Self Intersecting loops, that's a novice mistake.
  • Instead use "Mask Topology".

Mask Topology

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    $\begingroup$ You make it sound as if it is a rule carved in stone. It is not. It is better not to use them. It is easier to work with the mesh if they aren't there, and in your specific example other kind of topology might be more optimal, but if you want to or have a reason to use them, there is no problem there if there is no problem there. It is definitely not a 'noob mistake'. It's just better not to use them in this narrow context of modelling smooth faces. Not a big deal. It depends on the form of the thing you are modelling. Not a rule. $\endgroup$ – Martin Z Dec 12 '18 at 7:44
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Direct sugggestion ..... Do not use the self intersecting mesh you have. Correct it or Discard it.

If you feel you are a beginner at topology I suggest you not experiment too much or any ... with quad flow. I believe your model to use uncommon edge flow. Thus I think you would do better in the long run not to use the quad flow you have in your question. Follow a common and trusted model.

If you choose to improve your mesh by your own standards after consulting videos with many upvotes consider the following.

  • You may discard your current model and get a fresh start.
  • You may correct or add improvements to your mesh. If you attempt to correct your model see the Blender feature of

    • rotate edge
  • What is written here is not a tutorial. A video does that better. Of course I am tempted to say more ... about edge loops. But then again the dangerous tutorial pops up. Your model has other problems which you can correct sooner or later.

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