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The short version is I have an IK setup on my rig. The legs work mostly okay, except for the knees. The knees will NOT bend to find a solution to the IK problem. The arms, set up in a similar way, will bend correctly at the elbows to find a solution.

If I lift the foot pad goal up slightly, the knees will NOT bend. However, if I change the constraints on the knees and allow them to bend backwards, they WILL do that to solve the problem. They won't bend in the correct direction.

I thought this might have something to do with the rotation of the bones, so I tried rolling them with no luck. I tried adjusting the position of the knee pole, but that didn't help either. I can't seem to figure out why the IK solver is so opposed to bending the knees to solve a problem. The issue happens on both legs.

I do have a small bend in the knees, so the related issue (Similar issue: IK-rig doesn't bend when I add elbow-target/elbow-pole) doesn't seem to apply. I can't share the .blend file yet, but I'm working on getting permission.

EDIT: I've tried every permutation of rolling the bones, changing the pole angle, and knee bend limit.

The Leg Setup:

Let Setup

Leg Setup with Axes Showing:

Leg Setup with Axes

Solution Not Found:

Solution Not Found

Visible Constraints in the Knee:

Constraints

Relaxed Constraints and the Bad Solution:

Relaxed Constraints

EDIT: Adding emphasis.

EDIT: Adding more images.

If I turn off the knee constraints, leaving only the pole bone, the hip twists backwards and the knee points away. That might seem like the pole rotation is wrong, so I tried reversing it... (See next picture.)

No Constraints

When I reverse the pole angle, the hip twists around 180 degrees to compensate. The knee STILL bends backwards, but points towards the pole.

Backwards Knee

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  • $\begingroup$ Have you tried making the rest position of the knee joint ever so slightly bent forward? $\endgroup$
    – user7952
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 19:31
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I have. My legs have a slight bend at the knee. $\endgroup$
    – Joseph Catrambone
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 19:37
  • $\begingroup$ Too bad. Then I'll have to leave this for someone else to answer. One other question though, where did you try to upload your blend? pasteall.org/blend should work unless the file is too big (I'm not sure about the limit, but somewhere around 25-30 MB). $\endgroup$
    – user7952
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 19:41
  • $\begingroup$ You shouldn't put limit rotation on your IK chain but rather control the knee with a pole bone: blender.stackexchange.com/questions/21379/how-to-ik-rig-legs/… $\endgroup$
    – Jaroslav Jerryno Novotny
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 19:47
  • $\begingroup$ @SixthOfFour I'm rigging it as a favor to a friend and want to get her permission before I upload it anywhere. $\endgroup$
    – Joseph Catrambone
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 19:54

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Thank you to everyone who responded. A synopsis of the workaround. (I say workaround because this isn't really a fix, but it's more than functional enough to unblock progress and move forward. A true fix would be figuring out why the IK solver isn't deducing a solution to chains of length three.)

The original IK configuration had the constraint placed on the FOOT bone with an IK chain of length three. The solution involved moving the IK constraint to the SHIN bone [one up] and decrementing the IK chain by one. Now the knee bends properly.

I speculate (again SPECULATE, I don't know if there is any basis here) that perhaps having the foot as the target of the IK chain meant that there were two bends [the knee and the angle] which were being used for determining the direction of the bend -- that is to say, instead of pointing the knee bend at the knee pole, it was trying to point the ankle at the pole and ignoring the knee, keeping that segment strait.

I'm very grateful to everyone who provided insight. Special kudos to Jerryno and Naioai for setting me on the right track.

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  • $\begingroup$ If you get the permission to upload the blend, we might be able to give you more complete answers. Working with screenshots only is a bit difficult. Remember though that workarounds usually end up with more complex problems later on, and can be a real pain in the ass. Happy Blending =) $\endgroup$
    – Humilton
    Commented Jan 27, 2015 at 22:32

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